[PROPOSAL] alt.ukr.binaries

Post by Ukie
alt.ukr.binaries Binaries Ukraine

No one will create this group with this name.

It's alt.binaries.*

Why are you abbreviating?

Fix the description.

Post by Ukie
CHARTER: alt.ukr.binaries provides a place to share binaries between
Ukrainians.

Does anyone in Ukraine have access to a binary Usenet server?

Post by Ukie
There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to Ukraine
(e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.

That's literally nonsense that doesn't belong in a proposal. That's not
what Justification means.

Post by Ukie
Thank you for your consideration.

Ukie

2023-05-13 22:53:28 UTC

Post by Ukie
alt.ukr.binaries Binaries Ukraine

No one will create this group with this name.
It's alt.binaries.*
Why are you abbreviating?
Fix the description.

Ok.

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For your newsgroups file:
alt.binaries.ukraine Dedicated group for binaries related to Ukraine

CHARTER: The purpose of this newsgroup is to offer a dedicated forum to
exchange files targeted for Ukrainians and those who are interested in
Ukrainian language and culture. Acceptable post will include, for example,
Ukrainian classical movies, movies/anime with Ukrainian dubs/subs,
Ukrainian music, software with Ukrainian localization, etc.

Unmarked off-topic materials, advertising (spam), excessive posting,
cancel attacks, virus infected binaries, and abusive cross postings are
prohibited.

JUSTIFICATION:

No group exists to share binaries related to Ukraine (e.g. movies with
Ukrainian dub, recordings of Ukrainian songs and so on), while interest in
Ukraine is growing (alt.current-events.ukraine is the second most popular
group in alt.current-events.* hierarchy, right after alt.current-
events.usa).

There should be at least one binary newsgroup with focus on Ukraine.

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I abbreviated, because I saw alt.ukr.* and ukr.* and thought a new group
should fit
into them. Should I create a new thread?

Post by Ukie
CHARTER: alt.ukr.binaries provides a place to share binaries between
Ukrainians.

Does anyone in Ukraine have access to a binary Usenet server?

I am from Ukraine and I want to upload movies with Ukrainian subs/dubs.
Uploaded something in non-binary Ukrainian group, but it doesn't feel
proper.

Post by Ukie
There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to
Ukraine (e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.

That's literally nonsense that doesn't belong in a proposal. That's not
what Justification means.

Post by Ukie
Thank you for your consideration.

Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-13 23:11:10 UTC

Post by Ukie
alt.ukr.binaries Binaries Ukraine

No one will create this group with this name.
It's alt.binaries.*
Why are you abbreviating?
Fix the description.

Ok.
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alt.binaries.ukraine Dedicated group for binaries related to Ukraine

Description is for a phrase with additional key words that don't repeat
words from the group name. None of those words are key words, and you
don't repeat "Ukraine" as it already comes up in the search.

Post by Ukie
CHARTER: The purpose of this newsgroup is to offer a dedicated forum to
exchange files targeted for Ukrainians and those who are interested in
Ukrainian language and culture. Acceptable post will include, for example,
Ukrainian classical movies, movies/anime with Ukrainian dubs/subs,
Ukrainian music, software with Ukrainian localization, etc.
Unmarked off-topic materials, advertising (spam), excessive posting,
cancel attacks, virus infected binaries, and abusive cross postings are
prohibited.

Don't bother with boilerplate.

Post by Ukie
No group exists to share binaries related to Ukraine (e.g. movies with
Ukrainian dub, recordings of Ukrainian songs and so on), while interest in
Ukraine is growing (alt.current-events.ukraine is the second most popular
group in alt.current-events.* hierarchy, right after alt.current-
events.usa).
There should be at least one binary newsgroup with focus on Ukraine.

This isn't what justification means, which is a count. Just skip it.

Post by Ukie
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I abbreviated, because I saw alt.ukr.* and ukr.* and thought a new group
should fit
into them. Should I create a new thread?

Post by Ukie
CHARTER: alt.ukr.binaries provides a place to share binaries between
Ukrainians.

Does anyone in Ukraine have access to a binary Usenet server?

I am from Ukraine and I want to upload movies with Ukrainian subs/dubs.
Uploaded something in non-binary Ukrainian group, but it doesn't feel
proper.

You must not upload binaries into text newsgroups.

The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.

Text-only Usenet news servers do not create binary newsgroups,
especially ones that are meant for movies.

Ukie

2023-05-13 23:37:32 UTC

Post by Ukie
alt.ukr.binaries Binaries Ukraine

No one will create this group with this name.
It's alt.binaries.*
Why are you abbreviating?
Fix the description.

Ok.
---
alt.binaries.ukraine Dedicated group for binaries related to Ukraine

Oh, got it. Probably this would be better.

For your newsgroups file:
alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books in Ukrainian, software with
Ukrainian localization

Don't bother with boilerplate.

Post by Ukie
No group exists to share binaries related to Ukraine (e.g. movies with
Ukrainian dub, recordings of Ukrainian songs and so on), while interest
in Ukraine is growing (alt.current-events.ukraine is the second most
popular group in alt.current-events.* hierarchy, right after
alt.current- events.usa).
There should be at least one binary newsgroup with focus on Ukraine.

This isn't what justification means, which is a count. Just skip it.

Post by Ukie
---
I abbreviated, because I saw alt.ukr.* and ukr.* and thought a new group
should fit into them. Should I create a new thread?

Post by Ukie
CHARTER: alt.ukr.binaries provides a place to share binaries between
Ukrainians.

Does anyone in Ukraine have access to a binary Usenet server?

I am from Ukraine and I want to upload movies with Ukrainian subs/dubs.
Uploaded something in non-binary Ukrainian group, but it doesn't feel
proper.

You must not upload binaries into text newsgroups.

Well, some of them have "binaries" in their names, e.g. ukr.comp.binaries.
But of course, I won't do that anymore.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.
Text-only Usenet news servers do not create binary newsgroups,
especially ones that are meant for movies.

I use a binary server provider from Europe. I guess, it's fine.

Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-14 00:30:03 UTC

Post by Ukie
alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books in Ukrainian, software with
Ukrainian localization

Keep it under 80 characters.
group.name<tab>description

Anonymous

2023-05-14 07:59:33 UTC

Post by Ukie
alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books in Ukrainian, software with
Ukrainian localization

Keep it under 80 characters. group.name<tab>description

Ok, so this should work:

alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books, software in Ukrainian

Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-14 12:23:54 UTC

Post by Anonymous

Post by Ukie
alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books in Ukrainian, software with
Ukrainian localization

Keep it under 80 characters. group.name<tab>description

alt.binaries.ukraine Movies, music, e-books, software in Ukrainian

Ok. Don't send the newgroup message anonymously.

Jesse Rehmer

2023-05-14 13:50:06 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.

A lot more than you seem to think, certainly a lot more than a handful. While
they aren't published neatly on Top1000, I would argue there are more servers
involved than exchanging binaries than there are servers exchanging text
articles. You just don't see them from your view point of Usenet.

Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-14 16:29:09 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.

That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.

Jesse Rehmer

2023-05-14 23:34:20 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.

That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.

Is the Internet in Ukraine limited to only Ukraine providers?

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2023-05-15 00:30:00 UTC

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Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-15 00:33:44 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.

A lot more than you seem to think, certainly a lot more than a
handful. While they aren't published neatly on Top1000, I would argue
there are more servers involved than exchanging binaries than there
are servers exchanging text articles. You just don't see them from
your view point of Usenet.

That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.

Is the Internet in Ukraine limited to only Ukraine providers?

I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.

Ukie

2023-05-15 17:38:45 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.

That's a weak argument from a person who never experienced war in their
country. War doesn't mean that life stopped, especially for regions far
way from the frontline.

Moreover,

Post by Adam H. Kerman
"War is father of all, and king of all. He renders some gods, others men;

he makes some slaves, others free."
Ukrainians would like to preserve and share their culture even more as a
result of existential threat, Usenet is the option.

Finally, many Ukrainian live in EU, especially after February 24, 2022.
Why are you so focused on Ukrainian political borders?

Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-15 17:57:47 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.

That's a weak argument from a person who never experienced war in their
country. War doesn't mean that life stopped, especially for regions far
way from the frontline.

What front? The Russians have been destroying civilian infrastructure
and residences and hospitals and business and government areas far far
away from the portions of Ukraine they occupy. There is no military
purpose, just inflicting misery.

Communication is less reliable to nonexistent. No, life for those who
aren't dead hasn't stopped but it's surely miserable.

Why would you downplay this?

Post by Ukie
Moreover,

Post by Adam H. Kerman
"War is father of all, and king of all. He renders some gods, others men;

he makes some slaves, others free."

It doesn't magically repair lines of communication.

Post by Ukie
Ukrainians would like to preserve and share their culture even more as a
result of existential threat, Usenet is the option.

Ok.

Post by Ukie
Finally, many Ukrainian live in EU, especially after February 24, 2022.
Why are you so focused on Ukrainian political borders?

Ok.

It's possible this newsgroup could get created on binary servers and
it's possible that a few of the world's Ukrainian speakers will find
it. It's ridiculous to argue with me that within Ukraine, any
significant number of people are able to use Usenet or any other form of
communication without severe outages that the rest of us who aren't
living with constant attacks from Russia take for granted.

Ukie

2023-05-15 18:12:28 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
What front? The Russians have been destroying civilian infrastructure
and residences and hospitals and business and government areas far far
away from the portions of Ukraine they occupy. There is no military
purpose, just inflicting misery.
Communication is less reliable to nonexistent. No, life for those who
aren't dead hasn't stopped but it's surely miserable.
Why would you downplay this?

So, how do I communicate with you? I must be posting from my shoes.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
It doesn't magically repair lines of communication.

You surely know better about Ukraine than me living here, but events you
describe happened half a year ago and infrastructure is completely stable
since March. Even then it was not so bad as you describe, I worked
remotely the whole winter.

Anyway, I don't understand how it's related to my request. Millions of
Ukrainians are in EU.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
It's possible this newsgroup could get created on binary servers and
it's possible that a few of the world's Ukrainian speakers will find it.
It's ridiculous to argue with me that within Ukraine, any significant
number of people are able to use Usenet or any other form of
communication without severe outages that the rest of us who aren't
living with constant attacks from Russia take for granted.

You are exaggerating the wrong issue. Many people in Ukraine are idiots
and won't use anything except for Facebook, Instagam, TikTok, YouTube or
whatever garbage is trendy now. However, the userbase for sharing content
for free is huge and many people would love to have a backup on the Usenet
where content doesn't become unaccessible once people stop seeding it
(many such cases on toloka.to).

Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-15 19:19:10 UTC

So, how do I communicate with you? I must be posting from my shoes.

I'm glad to hear that you are surviving and that more communication is
possible than I believed.

Post by Ukie
. . .

Jesse Rehmer

2023-05-15 19:28:12 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.

That's a weak argument from a person who never experienced war in their
country. War doesn't mean that life stopped, especially for regions far
way from the frontline.

What front? The Russians have been destroying civilian infrastructure
and residences and hospitals and business and government areas far far
away from the portions of Ukraine they occupy. There is no military
purpose, just inflicting misery.
Communication is less reliable to nonexistent. No, life for those who
aren't dead hasn't stopped but it's surely miserable.
Why would you downplay this?

Post by Ukie
Moreover,

Post by Adam H. Kerman
"War is father of all, and king of all. He renders some gods, others men;

he makes some slaves, others free."

It doesn't magically repair lines of communication.

Post by Ukie
Ukrainians would like to preserve and share their culture even more as a
result of existential threat, Usenet is the option.

Ok.

Post by Ukie
Finally, many Ukrainian live in EU, especially after February 24, 2022.
Why are you so focused on Ukrainian political borders?

Ok.
It's possible this newsgroup could get created on binary servers and
it's possible that a few of the world's Ukrainian speakers will find
it. It's ridiculous to argue with me that within Ukraine, any
significant number of people are able to use Usenet or any other form of
communication without severe outages that the rest of us who aren't
living with constant attacks from Russia take for granted.

You have made a lot of assumptions. While there are IP service disruptions to
particular areas of Ukraine, the majority of the country is mostly going about
their daily lives as they did before the war. I communicate regularly with
Ukrainian friends in Kiev and surrounding areas. When there is a disruption in
IP services it is generally quickly rectified. Their IP connectivity is a lot
more robust than many believe.

might be of some interest.

Jesse Rehmer

2023-05-15 18:33:32 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
The point I'm making is that there are a mere handful of binary servers
these days. I don't even know what's still out there.

A lot more than you seem to think, certainly a lot more than a
handful. While they aren't published neatly on Top1000, I would argue
there are more servers involved than exchanging binaries than there
are servers exchanging text articles. You just don't see them from
your view point of Usenet.

That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.

Is the Internet in Ukraine limited to only Ukraine providers?

I'm thinking that the country is at war and has much bigger problems.

While I see your point, the U.S. is at constant war (depending on how you
define it, maybe not by our government's definition) and we seem to be content
to let soldiers do their things and continue carrying on our daily lives. I
assume Ukrainians are no different.

Ukie

2023-05-15 17:44:26 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.

Ukrainians are the prominent users of BitTorrent. What's the problem with
the Usenet? It's even more reliable.

There are Ukrainian content uploads, simply check bin indexes. Would be
fair to have a dedicated group for that.

Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-15 18:03:15 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
That Ukrainians would use? You're not addressing anything relevant to
this proposal.

Ukrainians are the prominent users of BitTorrent. What's the problem with
the Usenet? It's even more reliable.
There are Ukrainian content uploads, simply check bin indexes. Would be
fair to have a dedicated group for that.

Very well. If you're a serious proponent, then you'll need to identify
the potential users and promote the group to them. That's your actual
job as proponent, and you stick with it till there are plenty of people
using the newsgroup. Don't just tell me that potential users exist. You
actually have to find them.

All that happens in alt.config is proposal discussion. No promotion
takes place in this newsgroup.

You should post a final draft of the proposal before issuing the newgroup
message so it's free of syntax errors.

Ukie

2023-05-15 18:21:51 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
Very well. If you're a serious proponent, then you'll need to identify
the potential users and promote the group to them. That's your actual
job as proponent, and you stick with it till there are plenty of people
using the newsgroup. Don't just tell me that potential users exist. You
actually have to find them.

I agree with you and I will post about the newsgrop on Ukrainian torrent
abd BBS sites.

Post by Adam H. Kerman
All that happens in alt.config is proposal discussion. No promotion
takes place in this newsgroup.

I understand this, I don't even have to talk with you since you are not an
news admin. But I decided to discuss the proposal and it appeared to be
beneficial (including your advice).

Post by Adam H. Kerman
You should post a final draft of the proposal before issuing the
newgroup message so it's free of syntax errors.

The request is finalized in one of the messages above. Once a week passes
and we discuss all the details, I will send the request to my provider and
see what happens.

Adam H. Kerman

2023-05-15 19:25:06 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
You should post a final draft of the proposal before issuing the
newgroup message so it's free of syntax errors.

The request is finalized in one of the messages above. Once a week passes
and we discuss all the details, I will send the request to my provider and
see what happens.

A final draft is encapsulated within a followup article posted in this
thread. You don't have to do this but I would urge you to let me look it
over and comment on the syntax. There is a proper layout and necessary
syntax of standard headers.

You're the one who sends the newgroup message, not your provider. After
it's sent and you verify that it's been archived at ftp.isc.org,
you request creation from your provider and urge others to do the
same. Creation is never automatic.

Ukie

2023-05-16 15:35:11 UTC

Post by Adam H. Kerman
A final draft is encapsulated within a followup article posted in this
thread. You don't have to do this but I would urge you to let me look it
over and comment on the syntax. There is a proper layout and necessary
syntax of standard headers.
You're the one who sends the newgroup message, not your provider. After
it's sent and you verify that it's been archived at ftp.isc.org,
you request creation from your provider and urge others to do the same.
Creation is never automatic.

I'm afraid I'm not permitted to send control messages, only admins are.
I've already tried.

Neodome Admin

2023-06-08 07:40:38 UTC

I'm afraid I'm not permitted to send control messages, only admins are.
I've already tried.

I'll send it for you.

Adam Clothier

2023-05-13 21:40:00 UTC

Post by Ukie
There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to Ukraine
(e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.

I get many binaries in my email account of Ukrainian women looking for
sugar daddy. Is that not enough?

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https://www.facebook.com/Adzcloth/

Computer Nerd Kev

2023-05-14 23:32:19 UTC

Post by Ukie
There's literally no dedicated group to share binaries related to Ukraine
(e.g. movies with Ukrainian dubs/subs). Should be at least one.

On news.tambov.ru there's already a ukr.comp.binaries group, so if
it's official (you'd have to find out where the official list of
groups in the ukr.* hierachy lives to be sure), then you might want
to look at getting your news server to carry that one if it doesn't
already.

Oh actually I see you've already posted there (and to a "ukr.binf"
group that's not carried by news.tambov.ru), from the same server
you're using here, so why do you want to split posts between two
(three?) groups?

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Ukie

2023-05-15 17:56:57 UTC